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Writer's Block: Immigration

If you had to immigrate from your current home, where in the world would you choose to go?


Ireland is a strong possibility, so is the Netherlands, so are several Scandinavian countries. I considered Australia. I'm very fond of the UK though and it's appealing that I wouldn't be floundering with my inability to retain foreign languages if I went to Ireland. We talk about this often in our household.
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quentinwrites
Aug. 1st, 2008 09:48 am (UTC)
Yuss! Come to the UK. ;o)
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:52 am (UTC)
Thankee kindly for the invitation! I would love to live there, oh the traveling I'd do too with so many countries nearby. The idea of a vacation in Tuscany or France would be just -- a vacation trip, not a terribly big deal at all to cross the Channel and take a train or bus tour or something.

I've also gotten the impression that throughout the UK, all the different countries in it, whenever people go on holiday they take watercolour sets and sketchboxes. That it's just not that unusual to do so or to send watercolour postcards. See? I can even spell correctly for the UK! I should move.
quentinwrites
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:58 am (UTC)
And if you came after October you could meet Fredrik too. ;o)

I often take a sketchbook on holiday with me. Is it that weird to see people sketching in the USA?
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 11:04 am (UTC)
It is. When I used to go to campgrounds, even in the most beautiful scenic areas, there'd be thousands of tourists with cameras and no one else with a sketchbook or watercolor set. If I brought my pocket set, people look at me like I'm some sort of artistic god just for doing it at all. It would be grand to be able to go on vacation somewhere that's full of other holidayers who enjoy sketching and painting, and just sit around with a bunch of other amateurs enjoying it and cheering each other on.

Most of the time the photography wasn't like Fredrik's either, it was lining up the family in front of the Grand Canyon or the old-time cabin or whatever and doing a flash snapshot or two. I used to hate those photos, I looked so dorky compared to the natural wonders around me and didn't want to be in the picture -- didn't want any of the rest in it either, no one in shorts and goofy outfits. But that's pretty much what I remember.

Later on even when I was doing SCA events and stopping at campgrounds en route -- fewer cameras, but they were still out, tourists and campers snapping photos. And no sketchers or painters. At the event itself maybe a couple of artists but not many. I don't know where they go or why they're spread so thin... but I think the idea of Art As Hobby is a lot more acceptable in the UK.

You don't hear anyone who does a botched sketch laughing and going "Well, it's my hobby and I enjoy it." It's like it's held in too much reverence for anyone to learn how or have fun with it or get all gleeful because it's better than the last one.

I would love to meet Fredrik in person. Poor little Ari would have to spend weeks in quarantine for the move if I emigrated though. He'd be so miserable. I'd have to go in and visit him daily till he got out, otherwise he'd go out of his mind thinking he was abandoned.
quentinwrites
Aug. 1st, 2008 11:12 am (UTC)
Well you're more than welcome to come for a holiday visit. Then Ari wouldn't have to miss you for too long. :o)
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC)
That is a bit more likely than the dream that we'll get to move. But I can always hope!

And if we do move, I will have to stay very near his quarantine and visit him constantly to let him know he's still got a home. He's moved so many times and sometimes been separated for a few days in a move and it's very hard on him.
quentinwrites
Aug. 1st, 2008 09:53 am (UTC)
Oh and grrr. The question is incorrect. It's immigrate TO and emigrate FROM, goshdarnit. :oP
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:50 am (UTC)
Yeah, really. I noticed that too, but it's been on my mind any number of times for various reasons. Including whenever Bush opens his mouth.
callianassa
Aug. 1st, 2008 01:29 pm (UTC)
I almost moved to Ireland once. Nice place, but I'd keep my American citizenship... American citizens have a few more liberties.
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:07 pm (UTC)
Interesting. About what?
callianassa
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
The biggest field that springs to mind immediately is with relationships. There's great difficulty in promptly obtaining a divorce, even in an abusive relationship. Then there's that abortion ban that, in practice, requires you to be actively dying before it's allowed.
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:36 pm (UTC)
Oh that's rough. Point in favor of not actually marrying if I do emigrate to Ireland. Those are two pretty important things. There are a number of things about marriage in this country that have me hesitating to make any relationship legal.
callianassa
Aug. 1st, 2008 10:50 pm (UTC)
*nod* I don't think any country has it perfect, really. Just better and worse, far as I can tell.
robertsloan2
Aug. 1st, 2008 11:01 pm (UTC)
I think sometimes it boils down to who you are which country's going to be better than another -- but there are still broad differences. Those limits in Ireland are bad especially for women, but I think that the legal systems in the Scandinavian countries are a lot easier to live with. It takes some research to find out where you can live without being oppressed. It's scary to think of it though, that there aren't any places to just go if you're fed up with the laws as they are.
callianassa
Aug. 1st, 2008 11:19 pm (UTC)
True. The answer depends a lot on the person/couple/whatever in question. Religion, orientation, beliefs about spousal role, sexuality, preferences regarding children, and all.

I'd imagine that going to strongly libertarian areas would be the best plan if no existing legal systems fit. It's what a lot of fringe groups do. You'd want to find somewhere without militant groups...
robertsloan2
Aug. 2nd, 2008 08:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, that is the scary thing. You nailed most of the variables that would affect which places would be great versus nightmare. They should make it easier for people to migrate for political reasons, sort of no-fault divorce for leaving your country. There are times it breaks my heart to think of the number of people who get politically oppressed in one way or another, and it ranges from women who need abortions to women who want to wear headscarves.
notalwaysweak
Aug. 2nd, 2008 03:11 am (UTC)
Come to Australia! You can meet Toby and Cedric and Ruri!
robertsloan2
Aug. 2nd, 2008 06:53 am (UTC)
Oh, I wish! That'll be so cool if I ever get to visit. Australia's always fascinated me, despite a bewildering variety of poisonous creatures.
notalwaysweak
Aug. 2nd, 2008 06:58 am (UTC)
Hopefully by the time you visit, I won't live in suburbia, and will actually have a guestroom rather than just a couch.
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